This really annoyed me

[Cubist]

Ah it becomes clearer, you have a chip on your shoulder with larger vehicles progressing, and you having to slow or stop for them?

So you believe that might is right?

 

[benb]

Ah it becomes clearer, you have a chip on your shoulder with larger vehicles progressing, and you having to slow or stop for them?

No. I already said I almost always let buses out from bus stops. This is entirely different, and I object to your position that the bus driver was perfectly justified in bullying me off the road.

 

[col]

Not at all - I am perfecntly happy for anyone to question my actions. Don't be so sensitive.

But you said that the bus driver pulling out into oncoming traffic wasn't bad driving, which was what prompted my comment above. If that's what you consider acceptable driving, I'm glad I don't cycle near you.

He wasnt pulling out into oncoming traffic, it was clear for him to pull out. you were no where near when he swung out.
Im sure glad you dont cycle where I work, I would be a nervous wreck in case you wanted more vid footage.

 

[Cubist]

Dont you read all the posts. Im saying the cyclist had a choice on how he handled it. He chose the dangerous way.

When you chose to carry on yes there was

Yeah, we've done that bit.

 

[col]

So you believe that might is right?

Would you like to show how you came to that conclusion?

 

[akb]

Was this video speeded up? It all looks really quick; both your riding, and the buses speed! If not, you were riding too fast for the conditions IMO, giving you no time to react should a ped walk out or a car pull out from the junction.

The way I see it, the bus pulled out before you even approched the parked cars. Maybe he didnt see you, the conditions look bleak.
My safety is my prime concern (you were both very close at when you passed each other) so I would have hit the brakes and waited for the bus to pass. Would have cost you seconds, and maybe a bit more effort to build your speed up.

 

[Cubist]

He wasnt pulling out into oncoming traffic, it was clear for him to pull out. you were no where near when he swung out.
Im sure glad you dont cycle where I work, I would be a nervous wreck in case you wanted more vid footage.

At risk of being repetitive, IT WAS NOT CLEAR FOR HIM TO PULL OUT IF BENB HAD TO SLOW DOWN OR CHANGE COURSE IN ORDER TO PREVENT A COLLISON.
Clear enough col?

 

[col]

No. I already said I almost always let buses out from bus stops. This is entirely different, and I object to your position that the bus driver was perfectly justified in bullying me off the road.

so now he bullied you off the road? lets look at that for one moment

 

[col]

At risk of being repetitive, IT WAS NOT CLEAR FOR HIM TO PULL OUT IF BENB HAD TO SLOW DOWN OR CHANGE COURSE IN ORDER TO PREVENT A COLLISON.
Clear enough col?

YES IT IS CUBBY, but he was nowhere near the narrow never mind the bus when he pulled out , clear enough?

 

[Bicycle]

It would have annoyed me too, had I been the cyclist. However, I suspect the bus driver may have been annoyed just as much. I don't want to justify that annoyance, but to mitigate it.

The bus appeared to be waiting for the car ahead of the OP to pass. It may be that the bus had already waited for one car, two cars or a gazillion cars.

I cycle in a town where lack of off-street parking means that one side or another of many streets is heavily parked and there is only room for one vehicle to pass. There is a lot of queuing, waiting, waving, flashing and thanking. It is all very zen.

There are also the occasional bursts of impatience, when a driver appears to say "Fuggit, I've waited for six, it must be my turn".

I do not for one moment dispute that priority does not lie with the vehicle that has to cross the centre line. However, in a situation like this it is rarely down entirely to one party or the other.

If the bus had been waiting (not clear from the footage but not uncommon in these situations) then the driver may have said to himself "OK, after that last car".

If oncoming traffic is a steady drip, drip drip of cars which never quite leave the space for a bus to get through, this can cause a long, long wait both for the bus and anyone stuck behind it.

I aportion no blame here, but many have done as the bus driver does here. Many will justify it. There is a degree to which urban driving and riding are made less abrasive if everyone indulges in a little give and take.

As already stated, I'd be annoyed if I were the cyclist here. If this is anything like my town, I'd also say to myself when reviewing the footage "Fair play. I got cross. Bloody right. Next time I'll let the bus come; he may have been waiting".

I guarantee that you'll get home 20 seconds later but feel hugely less inclined to kick the cat, punch the wall or post footage.

My sympathies nonetheless.

 

[benb]

He wasnt pulling out into oncoming traffic, it was clear for him to pull out. you were no where near when he swung out.
Im sure glad you dont cycle where I work, I would be a nervous wreck in case you wanted more vid footage.

Ah, I see your confusion now. You don't think bicycles are traffic. Or maybe you think they are not legitimate road users when a bus is involved.

 

[Cubist]

Would you like to show how you came to that conclusion?

You have made it perfectly clear that you believe the bus driver was OK to pull out into the road despite the fact that benb had to slow down and change course. You have then told him this when he asked the forelock tugging question.
you have a chip on your shoulder with larger vehicles progressing, and you having to slow or stop for them?

 

[col]

It would have annoyed me too, had I been the cyclist. However, I suspect the bus driver may have been annoyed just as much. I don't want to justify that annoyance, but to mitigate it.

The bus appeared to be waiting for the car ahead of the OP to pass. It may be that the bus had already waited for one car, two cars or a gazillion cars.

I cycle in a town where lack of off-street parking means that one side or another of many streets is heavily parked and there is only room for one vehicle to pass. There is a lot of queuing, waiting, waving, flashing and thanking. It is all very zen.

There are also the occasional bursts of impatience, when a driver appears to say "Fuggit, I've waited for six, it must be my turn".

I do not for one moment dispute that priority does not lie with the vehicle that has to cross the centre line. However, in a situation like this it is rarely down entirely to one party or the other.

If the bus had been waiting (not clear from the footage but not uncommon in these situations) then the driver may have said to himself "OK, after that last car".

If oncoming traffic is a steady drip, drip drip of cars which never quite leave the space for a bus to get through, this can cause a long, long wait both for the bus and anyone stuck behind it.

I aportion no blame here, but many have done as the bus driver does here. Many will justify it. There is a degree to which urban driving and riding are made less abrasive if everyone indulges in a little give and take.

As already stated, I'd be annoyed if I were the cyclist here. If this is anything like my town, I'd also say to myself when reviewing the footage "Fair play. i got cross. Bloody right. Next times I'll let the bus come; he may have been waiting".

I guarantee that you'll get home 20 seconds later but feel hugely less inclined to kick the cat, punch the wall or post footage.

My sympathies nonetheless.

Give and take is the answer, I do all the time. It makes for a pleasant day.

 

[col]

Ah, I see your confusion now. You don't think bicycles are traffic. Or maybe you think they are not legitimate road users when a bus is involved.

I see your little game benj, your trying to make things up and hope no one notices

 

[Cubist]

It would have annoyed me too, had I been the cyclist. However, I suspect the bus driver may have been annoyed just as much. I don't want to justify that annoyance, but to mitigate it.

The bus appeared to be waiting for the car ahead of the OP to pass. It may be that the bus had already waited for one car, two cars or a gazillion cars.

I cycle in a town where lack of off-street parking means that one side or another of many streets is heavily parked and there is only room for one vehicle to pass. There is a lot of queuing, waiting, waving, flashing and thanking. It is all very zen.

There are also the occasional bursts of impatience, when a driver appears to say "Fuggit, I've waited for six, it must be my turn".

I do not for one moment dispute that priority does not lie with the vehicle that has to cross the centre line. However, in a situation like this it is rarely down entirely to one party or the other.

If the bus had been waiting (not clear from the footage but not uncommon in these situations) then the driver may have said to himself "OK, after that last car".

If oncoming traffic is a steady drip, drip drip of cars which never quite leave the space for a bus to get through, this can cause a long, long wait both for the bus and anyone stuck behind it.

I aportion no blame here, but many have done as the bus driver does here. Many will justify it. There is a degree to which urban driving and riding are made less abrasive if everyone indulges in a little give and take.

As already stated, I'd be annoyed if I were the cyclist here. If this is anything like my town, I'd also say to myself when reviewing the footage "Fair play. I got cross. Bloody right. Next time I'll let the bus come; he may have been waiting".

I guarantee that you'll get home 20 seconds later but feel hugely less inclined to kick the cat, punch the wall or post footage.

My sympathies nonetheless.

Good points. We've all been there.