Bazzer
Setting the controls for the heart of the sun.
- Location
- On the edge of reality
Still does happen occasionally, but potentially a whole heap of pain if something goes wrong.
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Still does happen occasionally, but potentially a whole heap of pain if something goes wrong.
Bianchi boy
Über Member
- Location
- North wales
On the point regarding vehicles waiting at the lights in the opposite direction, are they not legally required to wait until the traffic -ie, slow moving cycle- has cleared the stretch of roadworks ? irrespective of whether their lights have changed or not.
Not true, it is illegal to go through on amber. An amber signal conveys exactly the same as red: you must stop before the stop line. Failure to do so is an offence of failing to comply with a traffic signal. However, you have a defence to the charge if you can show that you could not have safely stopped before the stop line.
From the highway code: "AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" and the legislation is the Road Traffic Act, section 36, and the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions, schedule 14.
The legislation is quite clear: "an amber signal, when shown alone, conveys the same prohibition as red, except that, as respects any vehicle which is so close to the stop line that it cannot safely be stopped without proceeding beyond the stop line, it conveys the same indication as the green signal which was shown immediately before it"
So to go through on amber is every bit as illegal as to go through on red, with the caveat above.
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GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear, that sort of thing? Or <fx: furious googling>
steveindenmark
Legendary Member
Thanks for that Benb. Being in Denmark I have not seen a highway code for over 13 years. :0)
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
There's a (permanent) set that I often go through which protects a narrow railway bridge, followed by a short narrow uphill stretch. I always roll up to them so that I get a red, and start on a fresh green. This means I never have to meet anyone coming the other way. When it goes green I ride hard up the hill in the centre, and don't give drivers time to get arsey about being unable to pass. In the past when I have got this wrong then meeting someone coming the other way has been a bit awkward (but not that I remember confrontational).
There was a major junction at the Rocket in Liverpool I used to go through. I could see the lights as I approached. In times of headwind if the lights had been on green as I approached, I would sometimes stop and wait for the next green cycle as I knew I wouldn't get across.
Same with roadworks. I'm afraid I don't blindly obey them as a cyclist. I'll look see what they're like and if tricky then either ride through the coned area, hop onto the pavement or pedal like billy ho behind a car. Major roadworks just mean diverting as it's often too much hassle, especially uphill.
Same with roadworks. I'm afraid I don't blindly obey them as a cyclist. I'll look see what they're like and if tricky then either ride through the coned area, hop onto the pavement or pedal like billy ho behind a car. Major roadworks just mean diverting as it's often too much hassle, especially uphill.
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...troduction-use-portable-vehicular-signals.pdf
is the official guidance Page 7 to 10 for timings, long time since I set one up ( Had to for my NRSWA supervisor Qual) as we employ "specialists" to do it for us .
generally we send the slowest lorry along from standstill and see how long that takes then add 5 seconds to allow for slower vehicles ( us mere mortals not blessed with Davywalnut legs) it sometimes takes it over the official guidance but hey ho rules for guidance etc ...
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
Please don't ride in the Coned area. it was coned off for a reason. workforce protection. Was a pet hate of mine when CS2 was being "upgraded" with people riding in a coned area.
A number of times I've come across roadworks and been told by the workmen to go through slowly and carefully. I suspect that's more dangerous for me than it is for them but I'm normally grateful to avoid a detour.
DaveReading
Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
- Location
- Reading, obvs
The reference in post #44 allows 5 seconds of "all-red" for every 50 metres of road works length or part thereof. This implies that if you go through just as the light has changed to red, then you need to be pedalling at 10 m/s (22 mph) to guarantee getting to the other end before their light changes.
Clearly some drivers don't appreciate that.
Clearly some drivers don't appreciate that.
Aravis
Putrid Donut
- Location
- Gloucester
If this is presented as an unbreakable law I can't help finding it a bit troubling. Temporary traffic lights are an imperfect solution to particular issues which arise from time to time, and with the best will in the world it is sometimes apparent that cyclists' needs couldn't be fully taken into account. In my experience a bit of pragmatism is often required. Clearly if there is the slightest doubt it would be best to ask someone if they're OK with what you plan to do. If there's no-one to ask...
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
Ok put yourself on 4 powered wheels or even 2 powered wheels , acceptable now ?
No thought not .
And not presented as unbreakable law . Just common sense.
@User9609 same weak argument as cycle lanes not being used 24 hours a day
Last hole we had open for a while was the mid point of a pipeline , where the 2 ends met. To remove the traffic management and reinstate with necesary permits would have took longer than it did to do works . Sometimes life sucks .
No thought not .
And not presented as unbreakable law . Just common sense.
@User9609 same weak argument as cycle lanes not being used 24 hours a day
Last hole we had open for a while was the mid point of a pipeline , where the 2 ends met. To remove the traffic management and reinstate with necesary permits would have took longer than it did to do works . Sometimes life sucks .
subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
Hence we and quite a few other companies add a little bit more as the guidelines are , well errr guidelines. In central London road speeds are lower so we allow longer.
What cuffs me off is drivers going through a set of works where we have applied for a lower speed limit in excess of the normal higher limit.
50 limits in works on motorways were brought in in a vain attempt to get drivers to maybe be at 70 , but most just ignored. That's why average ones came in and made journey times shorter as it stopped ( reduced more accurate) red waves .
Mr Celine
Discordian
- Location
- Waxing my moustache
No such thing as a cycling officer, far less a team, in the Scottish Borders.
