An object lesson in keeping your mouth shut...

[GrumpyGregry]

If he had been her partner (he wasn't), I think being protective would focus on the fact that she was endangering her safety and breaking the law rather than on some pillock on a Brommie muttering something out of her earshot.

You did not read the manual that came with it did you?

Riders of Brommies are not entitled to hold any opinions about real cycling and real cyclists, let alone express them.

They may however declaim their views on riders of Boris bikes and BSOs but only when their B is folded and safely stowed away.

 

[jefmcg]

How dangerous is running red lights? A lot of London cyclists do it, yet every time I read a report/inquest/description of a London fatality, running red lights never seems to come into it. Is it really that dangerous, or does it just look it?

(no, I'm not one of them though I might occasionally sneak through on a pedestrian cycle if there are no pedestrians and I'm starting to be concerned about the taxi starting to rev his engine or move beside me into the ASL)

 

[Davidsw8]

You did not read the manual that came with it did you?

Riders of Brommies are not entitled to hold any opinions about real cycling and real cyclists, let alone express them.

They may however declaim their views on riders of Boris bikes and BSOs but only when their B is folded and safely stowed away.

Lol, in berating me for having a helmet cam, I think he may have made reference to my silly fold-up bike. Then there's him with his fancy bike which he seemed happy to get squashed under a car so I must assume it was one fancy bike of many.

The lady in question had a very sturdy looking traditional bike replete with front basket.

And then there's me...

 

[Davidsw8]

How dangerous is running red lights? A lot of London cyclists do it, yet every time I read a report/inquest/description of a London fatality, running red lights never seems to come into it. Is it really that dangerous, or does it just look it?

(no, I'm not one of them though I might occasionally sneak through on a pedestrian cycle if there are no pedestrians and I'm starting to be concerned about the taxi starting to rev his engine or move beside me into the ASL)

Trouble is the stats only record serious injuries and deaths, they don't record minor collisions and certainly not the many of those that go un-reported.

Suffice to say, running a red light is 'usually' a lot more dangerous than not running one. It's also illegal and I don't know about everyone else but I don't tend to disobey a law just because it suits me to do so.

It really isn't rocket science, as I said before, it's pointless and I've lost count of the RLJ'ers I've caught up with later on down the road so it's not even a speed or time-saving option. My feeling is that half the time, people do it because they can get away with it - maybe a petty 'up yours society'? Dunno.

 

[BSRU]

How dangerous is running red lights? A lot of London cyclists do it, yet every time I read a report/inquest/description of a London fatality, running red lights never seems to come into it. Is it really that dangerous, or does it just look it?

(no, I'm not one of them though I might occasionally sneak through on a pedestrian cycle if there are no pedestrians and I'm starting to be concerned about the taxi starting to rev his engine or move beside me into the ASL)

Only a couple of weeks ago a cyclist who decided to ignore a red light almost died in a collision with a HGV.

 

[glenn forger]

A cyclist is more likely to be killed by a motor vehicle jumping a red light than die by jumping a red themselves.

 

[downfader]

Do you think they were together? In the olden days if my now ex-husband had heard you call me a bitch he'd have twatted you before you knew what was happening. The current incumbent is a bit more laid back, but would certainly defend my honour with a few strong words.

Don't go around calling ladies nasty names is the moral of the story

I dont think gender comes into it... plenty of women will look at males jumping a light and say "b#stard". I dont think they're lumping all men together

 

[Sara_H]

Trouble is the stats only record serious injuries and deaths, they don't record minor collisions and certainly not the many of those that go un-reported.

Suffice to say, running a red light is 'usually' a lot more dangerous than not running one. It's also illegal and I don't know about everyone else but I don't tend to disobey a law just because it suits me to do so.

It really isn't rocket science, as I said before, it's pointless and I've lost count of the RLJ'ers I've caught up with later on down the road so it's not even a speed or time-saving option. My feeling is that half the time, people do it because they can get away with it - maybe a petty 'up yours society'? Dunno.

Most cyclist red light jumpers do it not to save time, but because it's often safer. So, they may often go through red after noting that the sequence on the other side has gone to amber. This gives an opportunity to get away from accelerating vehicles behind, sometimes avoiding left hooks or other danger.

One red light that I go through is a cross roads that has an all red phase with pedestrian crossings across all four roads. Having usually filtered past as many as fifty cars to, when it turns green the drivers are impatient to get away, I end up sitting in the middle of the junction waiting to turn right which feels feels very precarious. I usually don't get chance to turn until the light until late amber or red (due to oncoming traffic continuing to flow through on amber), which then puts me in danger of collision with the traffic coming the oppisite way. I also note that if I've had to wait to turn red that I'm often subject to some very close passes, in fact one driver recently tried to overtake me as we turned through the junction and almost knocked me off. I'm guessing that having to wait behind a cyclist has wound them up.
If there aren't any pedestrians crossing at the all red (for road traffic) phase, I go through. Much safer and no one has been put at risk or inconvenienced.

I'm not disobeying the law just because it suits me to, but bcause it's far safer for me to do so.

Does that make me a bitch?

 

[MarkF]

A cyclist is more likely to be killed by a motor vehicle jumping a red light than die by jumping a red themselves.

All the more reason for a cyclist not to encourage motor vehicle drivers to see red's as "optional".

 

[glenn forger]

You think drivers jump reds because of cyclists? Do drivers speed because of milk floats?

 

[jefmcg]

All the more reason for a cyclist not to encourage motor vehicle drivers to see red's as "optional".

So now we are not only responsible for what other cyclists do, but drivers behaviours as well????

 

[ComedyPilot]

A simple, "Oi RED LIGHT" would have sufficed.

The 'b*tch' comment was uncalled for.

Matey-boy in the shiny armour on the white charger is likely to get his come-uppance one day too.

 

[vickster]

Emmeline Pankhurst made it her lifes struggle to bring about soem form of equality for the women of Britain, and you go and blow all that out of the water with this ! ...

She jumped in front of a horse...much more of a statement than RLJing on a bus route say

I am personally astonished by the number of colour blind cyclists ...women included...I mean it's pretty rare in the superior sex (0.5-1% apparently)

 

[ComedyPilot]

Most cyclist red light jumpers ...............blah blah.....................Does that make me a bitch?

No.

 

[Twelve Spokes]

Im suffering for the general poor behavior out on the roads by cyclists.I had a run in with two motorist cycling hating workmates today.It's not unusual now and they bring up the rljing all the time.Oh and about my collision.Apparently I was too close.Really p1553d me off and making me look like a bad cyclist.

Not the actual fact that when I put the brakes on,nothing happened.

Oil on the rims? I didn't check at the time (I should have) but no way was I going too fast.If I had been I would have ended up in hospital.