Firestorm
Veteran
- Location
- Southend on Sea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32062278
And now on the Beeb
And now on the Beeb
German wings 4U 9525
- Thread starter young Ed
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deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
A very weird turn. Apparently NYT broke the news. Something suggested that the plane was not out of control but that it was, in some way, being flown.
Aperitif
Meme bar
- Location
- ...I don't have much idea - really.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke UK
Out over the Med at cruise height they'd have full two way contact on VHF. Living in Northants I can hear transmissions from aircraft north of Manchester or close to the Channel while they're at 30k plus feet.
Mad Doug Biker
Just a damaged guy.
- Location
- Craggy Island
Wow! Well, clearly they need to redesign the cockpit doors then!!
Levo-Lon
Guru
terrorism made sure the door cant be opened from the cabin area..
Mad Doug Biker
Just a damaged guy.
- Location
- Craggy Island
Well, yeees, I know, I was reading about it, but it appears that anyone in the cockpit can overide the door being opened using the emergency code from the cabin, which is what appears to have happened here - The Captain couldn't get back in, which is, and was, clearly dangerous in itself!
There surely has to be a different way of doing things!
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Mad Doug Biker
Just a damaged guy.
- Location
- Craggy Island
Do we class the 150 people as being the latest victims of 9/11 due to the door situation??
jefmcg
Guru
Apparently in the US they have a rule that there are always 2 people in the cockpit, so I guess that means 3 pilots on board. That does not apply in Europe, so a nature-break leaves only one person in complete control of the plane.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
Doesn't mention need for 3 pilots, just two staff [which should include one pilot and a member of the cabin crew] at any one time in the cockpit.
With hind-sight, the ability to over-ride the emergency door release code for the cabin door lock from the inside looks like a mistake.... presumably they were thinking that the internal over-ride lock could prevent a terrorist obtaining the door release code by extracting the emergency pass code in some extreme way from someone outside the cockpit never thinking it could be one of the pilots left alone in the cockpit who was the problem.... but then one pilot could always overcome the other at any time anyway so it all relies on trust.
8 minutes of mounting panic must have been totally horrific for the passengers and crew. The pilot locked out of the cockpit must have been at his wits' end.
With hind-sight, the ability to over-ride the emergency door release code for the cabin door lock from the inside looks like a mistake.... presumably they were thinking that the internal over-ride lock could prevent a terrorist obtaining the door release code by extracting the emergency pass code in some extreme way from someone outside the cockpit never thinking it could be one of the pilots left alone in the cockpit who was the problem.... but then one pilot could always overcome the other at any time anyway so it all relies on trust.
8 minutes of mounting panic must have been totally horrific for the passengers and crew. The pilot locked out of the cockpit must have been at his wits' end.
Dave the Smeghead
Über Member
I am so shocked at this turn of events. It is truly awful.
Without judging anyone at this stage if someone wants to commit suicide why take 149 other souls with you?
My thoughts and prayers are with every person touched by this event.
Without judging anyone at this stage if someone wants to commit suicide why take 149 other souls with you?
My thoughts and prayers are with every person touched by this event.
It's more than suicide. When people commit suicide it's about removing themselves, not everyone else. This is more like those incidents where people go around shooting everyone and then shoot themselves. It's like an underlying hate.
Dave the Smeghead
Über Member
I quite agree. I just don't understand the whole thing. All those poor souls just wiped out. Horrendous.
