I think I may have killed a driver...

[col]

Not inflaming the situation? The motoris was aggressive in response to harmles behaviour. Just being on the road with that kind of person inflames the situation; what are you going to do, dismount and walk everywhere because, just rarely, you meet an a$$hole on the roads?

The reason the motorist was agressive was probably due to his sarcasm.

 

[BentMikey]

So your willing to take the risk of the lights changing just as you get there?What would you have done if you were one second later and it had gone red?

I take his write on it that he would have stopped on amber, except that in this case he couldn't - he was already upon the ASL, and I don't think anyone on here would be able to stop in that situation at 15mph, not without ending up well in the middle of the average junction at that point.

Why do you persist in saying Sharky is an amber gambler in this situation, where he isn't according to his own words?

 

[Cab]

No,im saying its dangerous to carry on on amber on a bike,he even says he was a bit later than usual,so what would he have done if it had turned red,and as he says wouldnt have stood a chance of stopping?

Its about relative risk; it can be risky to go through an amber but more dangerous not to do so. Thats his call, and I don't believe for a moment that you never make that decision (as the light changes to amber and you'd be through it before you could stop - it happens).

If it had turned red then it would have gone through amber first, in which case it would be amber earlier on and he'd have had time (at 15mph ish) to stop.

This ain't complex; why are you making a big deal of it?

 

[col]

I take his write on it that he would have stopped on amber, except that in this case he couldn't - he was already upon the ASL, and I don't think anyone on here would be able to stop in that situation at 15mph, not without ending up well in the middle of the average junction at that point.

Why do you persist in saying Sharky is an amber gambler in this situation, where he isn't according to his own words?

Thats the way the debate seems to have gone,He went through on amber pure and simple,he admits it,i cant see what the problem is,i think that can be dangerous,others dont.He causes a driver to get annoyed through his sarcasm,why?Because he followed him through,and he feels it was wrong,and even though the driver is not happy,he continues to insult which causes more annoyance,but its all the drivers fault isnt it? yeah right.Iv never said its illegal to go through amber,iv only said its been on the telly as a bad thing,and i wouldnt do it,but then the usual happens,name calling and disection of things.Its an opinion,and i certainly think causing drivers to react aggressively is a stupid thing to do,but then again some dont.

 

[Cab]

The reason the motorist was agressive was probably due to his sarcasm.

No, the reason why the motorist was aggressive was because he was an a4$£hole. You're incorrect to blame a cyclist for being trivially sarcastic.

 

[Cab]

but its all the drivers fault isnt it?

Plainly.

 

[col]

Its about relative risk; it can be risky to go through an amber but more dangerous not to do so. Thats his call, and I don't believe for a moment that you never make that decision (as the light changes to amber and you'd be through it before you could stop - it happens).

If it had turned red then it would have gone through amber first, in which case it would be amber earlier on and he'd have had time (at 15mph ish) to stop.

This ain't complex; why are you making a big deal of it?

Im not,you are,im saying he acted disgustingly in his way to cause agression from a driver.

 

[col]

Plainly.

 

[col]

No, the reason why the motorist was aggressive was because he was an a4$£hole. You're incorrect to blame a cyclist for being trivially sarcastic.

It Is trivial to most people,because they see it for what it is,an attempt to get a reaction.But some take it badly and react,which is what some seem to want,i just wonder why?

 

[Landslide]

...i just wonder why?

Because they're @rseholes. I honestly can't think of any other rational explanation.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

So your willing to take the risk of the lights changing just as you get there?What would you have done if you were one second later and it had gone red?

Stopped, as I'd have seen it go Amber earlier and been able to stop.

I don't RLJ.

Period.

 

[col]

Stopped, as I'd have seen it go Amber earlier and been able to stop.

I don't RLJ.

Period.

Nor do i

 

[Cab]

Im not,you are,im saying he acted disgustingly in his way to cause agression from a driver.

I see, and that isn't making a big deal out of it...

 

[Cab]

It Is trivial to most people,because they see it for what it is,an attempt to get a reaction.But some take it badly and react,which is what some seem to want,i just wonder why?

So you agree that it was trivial and that therefore the response was unjustified... And you now can't blame the cyclist so you'll just make the inferrence that he was looking for conflict? How ironic.

 

[BentMikey]

So Col, answer this hypothetical situation. A simple yes or no only, thanks.

You're riding at 15mph, and you come up to a junction. You're on the ASL, you know, the green bit past one stop line and before the cycle stop line. The light changes to orange. Do you stop?