Increase in seizures of illegal ebikes

[Webbo2]

And 300W will give you 4mph, requiring a mere 50W contribution from the rider to a 250W limit. 250W will still give you over 3mph - walking speed. And remember that the 250W value is continuous rated power, not peak.

Now consider how incredibly rare 20% hills are. I don't mean hills that cyclists say are 20% but which are really 15% - there are hundreds and hundreds of those. Actual 20% stretches are short and infrequent.

250W is enough assist for anyone who wants to undertake any normal cycling in the UK. If you want a bike that puts you on a par with trained cyclists, without you having to put in any effort at all then what you want is an electric moped, not an EAPC.

Maybe a visit to North York moors may sway your view somewhat.

 

[Webbo2]

, a lot of work will usually still be needed to get up up a 8% hill.
8% is still classed as very steep.

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[Mike_P]

Not with a hub motor.
Whilst I am hoping for another 14,000 trouble free miles with mine, they do need human assist to actually get above 0mph going up steep hills. Efficiency is quite low on the steeper inclines, even with human assist.

Thats the advantage of a mid drive motor on a pedelec. Have left many a hub drive pedel behind once the road goes upwards.

 

[albion]

Maybe a visit to North York moors may sway your view somewhat.

Must have been near half a battery crawling up Lythe bank towards Saltburn.
Boulby bank is much the same as is the reverse out of Skinningrove.
The Staithes banks are relative light work.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Maybe a visit to North York moors may sway your view somewhat.

I've ridden there (decades ago on an over-geared bike. It was horrible.) Doesn't change my view that 20% hills are very rare overall. A few pockets here and there, that's all.

 

[Drago]

Thats the advantage of a mid drive motor on a pedelec. Have left many a hub drive pedel behind once the road goes upwards.

Yet in terms of climbing ability my (Suntour HESC+) hub drive was slightly better than my (Bosch) mid drive, a minor difference probably due to the rear drive simply having a slightly beefier output.

And at 270lbs im a serious test of any electric assistance.

Unless the terrain is so poor you need rear suspension, where it is not a good idea to locate the mass of a motor in the rear wheel, the placement of the motor makes no real difference.

 

[Webbo2]

I've ridden there (decades ago on an over-geared bike. It was horrible.) Doesn't change my view that 20% hills are very rare overall. A few pockets here and there, that's all.

I think you should read Simon Warrens Cycling Climbs of Yorkshire. In the section described as East Yorkshire which includes the North York moors there are 15 climbs with gradients with 20% and above sections. Then there’s the Dales, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire with their 20% plus climbs. Maybe you need to get out on your bike a bit more.😉

 

[Dogtrousers]

I think you should read Simon Warrens Cycling Climbs of Yorkshire. In the section described as East Yorkshire which includes the North York moors there are 15 climbs with gradients with 20% and above sections. Then there’s the Dales, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire with their 20% plus climbs. Maybe you need to get out on your bike a bit more.😉

Do you really think that just because there are some hills here and there in Yorkshire, that warrants an increase in the wattage of e-bikes?

20% climbs are very uncommon. There are hundreds of climbs that cyclists call 20% but most of them are only about 15. The few that there are really don't make a good argument for changing the laws on e-bikes.

 

[Webbo2]

Do you really think that just because there are some hills here and there in Yorkshire, that warrants an increase in the wattage of e-bikes?

20% climbs are very uncommon. There are hundreds of climbs that cyclists call 20% but most of them are only about 15. The few that there are really don't make a good argument for changing the laws on e-bikes.

Could you show me where I said anything about increasing the wattage of Ebikes. My points have been that thousands of cyclists can ride at over 15 mph on a normal bike and there are hundreds of hills over 20% in the UK.
But because these are not in your weekly cycling routine they don‘t exist.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

My points have been that thousands of cyclists can ride at over 15 mph on a normal bike

There also are thousands that cannot do this
I, for example, can ride on ice, so can a few on this forum.
That doesn't mean others, as cyclists, can, want, need to do the same.
Indeed I'm not advocating every cyclist worth its salt should have studded tyres on the ready!

 

[Webbo2]

There also are thousands that cannot do this
I, for example, can ride on ice, so can a few on this forum.
That doesn't mean others, as cyclists, can, want, need to do the same.
Indeed I'm not advocating every cyclist worth its salt should have studded tyres on the ready!

But then I have climbed on ice but I can’t dance on ice but there you go.😉

 

[Dogtrousers]

Could you show me where I said anything about increasing the wattage of Ebikes.

If not then what are you on about then? That's the subject under discussion.

 

[Webbo2]

If not then what are you on about then? That's the subject under discussion.

Because you were claiming that to ride faster than an ebike on a normal bike was superhuman.

 

[Alex321]

Not really, being able to travel(20mph) at what is generally classed now as urban, estate, town, city speed limit.

If you can travel at or near that limit it lessens the inclination of drivers wanting to do silly overtaking.

Going onto the amount of power 250 Watts will assist a rider perfectly fine on flat terrains, but is woefully lacking on steep inclines. 500W I would say is minimum to aid a rider to climb a steep hill without going into lung busting exertion. We are talking about casual riders who use their bikes infrequently.

Given that very few of us riding regular bikes can produce 250W for long, 250W seems perfectly reasonable unless you are wanting to make ebike riders climb hills more easily than fit regular bike riders.

 

[Alex321]

Im talking about maintaining easy comfy pace for an amateur. The power is peak of the motor not consistent power delivered.

Not according to the regulations. It is (currently) 250W "continuously rated power". Which means a higher peak power.