Legally can you cycle on the A77?

[Milkfloat]

I work for a competitor of TomTom, we have the access restriction's correct in our data.

However to be fair to them, unless I am not following your description properly the TomTom online map shows the A77 as a normal dual carriage way and not a motorway. It has the M27 north of Kilmarnock identified as a motorway and the A77 to the east and continuing south not as a motorway.

https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_gb/#m...SCT, GBR","coords":[54.84179,-5.11688]}+ver=3

 

[glasgowcyclist]

However to be fair to them, unless I am not following your description properly the TomTom online map shows the A77 as a normal dual carriage way and not a motorway. It has the M27 north of Kilmarnock identified as a motorway and the A77 to the east and continuing south not as a motorway.

Correct.

Between Kilmarnock and Glasgow, the A77 varies from dual to single carriageway at several points.

When travelling south on it from, say, Newton Mearns, it's a simple matter to stay on the A77 and not venture onto the M77 in error.
Going north, it becomes the M77 at Fenwick so non-M/way traffic has to pay attention and take the slip road off to the left to continue on the A77, otherwise you will end up on the motorway.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I work for a competitor of TomTom, we have the access restriction's correct in our data.

However to be fair to them, unless I am not following your description properly the TomTom online map shows the A77 as a normal dual carriage way and not a motorway. It has the M27 north of Kilmarnock identified as a motorway and the A77 to the east and continuing south not as a motorway.

https://mydrive.tomtom.com/en_gb/#mode=search+viewport=55.64228,-4.46428,16.66,0,-0+search={"input":"Stranraer (Portpatrick) SCT, GBR","coords":[54.84179,-5.11688]}+ver=3


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That b road through Kilmarnock looks nicer and might have a pub or shop or cafe to stop at.

 

[lazybloke]

So if you can’t roll a ball across it it’s a dual carriageway

What size ball? There's quite a gap under a Brifen fence

 

[mjr]

The other thing about Dual Carriageways is they don’t need 2 lanes in each direction. A dual carriageway is a road where the 2 directions are separated by a physical barrier (can be just a curb). So if you can’t roll a ball across it it’s a dual carriageway

Unless you're in Oxfordshire, where the entry to the unusual one-lane-each-side dual carriageway A420 under the Great Western Main Line is bizarrely signposted as "Single Track Road" before you can see it (edit: and I think has been for as long as I've been driving), which I've seen make drivers unfamiliar with it brake rather hard from 50mph...
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[mjr]

May I ask why you are trying to do this?

Loves working for tomtom for free.

 

[boydj]

From Glasgow to Fenwick, as others have said, the old A77, running more or less parallel to the M77, makes an excellent cycling route. I personally would not cycle on the A77 south of Fenwick. There are quieter, more scenic country roads, well known to the local cycling fraternity (and sisterhood), which will provide a safer alternative.

I would have expected the TomTom to have a setting which allows you to avoid dual carriageways, and most cycling mapping apps have such a setting, as does google mapping.

 

[BrumJim]

That b road through Kilmarnock looks nicer and might have a pub or shop or cafe to stop at.

It goes through Kilmarnock. Better off going round, not through. Unlikely to be anywhere nice where you want to stop. Unless you fancy a Killy pie.

 

[a01020304]

From Glasgow to Fenwick, as others have said, the old A77, running more or less parallel to the M77, makes an excellent cycling route. I personally would not cycle on the A77 south of Fenwick. There are quieter, more scenic country roads, well known to the local cycling fraternity (and sisterhood), which will provide a safer alternative.

I would have expected the TomTom to have a setting which allows you to avoid dual carriageways, and most cycling mapping apps have such a setting, as does google mapping.

you missing the point, its does not matter if there is other routes to take its the fact that it specifically says no pedestrians or bikes allowed. HERE maps are the same, its restricting the same and is classed as a Motorway same as A71 at Irvine too.
Maps should be correct for whoever uses them not pick and choose

 

[Brandane]

you missing the point, its does not matter if there is other routes to take its the fact that it specifically says no pedestrians or bikes allowed. HERE maps are the same, its restricting the same and is classed as a Motorway same as A71 at Irvine too.
Maps should be correct for whoever uses them not pick and choose

I thought the point was "Legally, can you cycle on the A77?"
If the point is a discussion about TomTom maps then the thread title might be a touch misleading.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

you missing the point, its does not matter if there is other routes to take its the fact that it specifically says no pedestrians or bikes allowed. HERE maps are the same, its restricting the same and is classed as a Motorway same as A71 at Irvine too.
Maps should be correct for whoever uses them not pick and choose

Can you post a screenshot of the A77 where tomtom show it to be motorway status?

 

[a01020304]

I thought the point was "Legally, can you cycle on the A77?"
If the point is a discussion about TomTom maps then the thread title might be a touch misleading.

that was a reply to that specific question/comment/person

 

[Ajax Bay]

it specifically says no pedestrians or bikes allowed. HERE maps are the same, its restricting the same and is classed as a Motorway same as A71 at Irvine too.
Maps should be correct for whoever uses them not pick and choose

What is your "it" (emboldened above)? HERE map image:

This HERE map clip (and the OP has said he/she prefers HERE maps) shows the change from A77 to M77 clearly (thickness and colour of symbol changes).
And here's the TomTom version

It would be great if all maps were correct, but quality varies, allowing users to "pick and choose". However both these maps reflect the fact that the A77 is a A road not a motorway.
I don't think the routing software is reflecting any legal prohibition to cycle on the A77, its algorhythm just excludes it as a sensible cycling option. On the HERE map, it looks as if it is treating the A71 dual carriageway going east from Irvine, similarly: that is it won't accept a cycle route 'dragged' onto the A road.
Possible lesson: Don't use these applications for planning cycle routes. RwGPS.
HTH

You could use a TomTom, but you might end up taking the Motorway...

 

[classic33]

What is your "it" (emboldened above)? HERE map image:
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This HERE map clip (and the OP has said he/she prefers HERE maps) shows the change from A77 to M77 clearly (thickness and colour of symbol changes).
And here's the TomTom version
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It would be great if all maps were correct, but quality varies, allowing users to "pick and choose". However both these maps reflect the fact that the A77 is a A road not a motorway.
I don't think the routing software is reflecting any legal prohibition to cycle on the A77, its algorhythm just excludes it as a sensible cycling option. On the HERE map, it looks as if it is treating the A71 dual carriageway going east from Irvine, similarly: that is it won't accept a cycle route 'dragged' onto the A road.
Possible lesson: Don't use these applications for planning cycle routes. RwGPS.
HTH

Lead car has no driver!

 

[mybike]

I remember sitting on this one (A2) and thinking it was ironic

Goes from 50 to 70 just before that at the Kent boundary.