I doubt you would get any useful range at all towing an unaerodynamic , 1.7-1.8 tonne twin axle caravan, it’s just not feasible
These guys managed 3700 miles towing a caravan with a Tesla X.
https://bensmann.no/towing-caravan-tesla-model-x-europe/
I doubt you would get any useful range at all towing an unaerodynamic , 1.7-1.8 tonne twin axle caravan, it’s just not feasible
That's not what my work van has done, it's on 11,500 since coming back from new year, I don't think leasing firms would take too kindly to carrying old engine oil and toolboxes in a Tesla, never mind replacing the battery early, the list price is ridiculous too, I reckon I could kill an EV in under 5 years, the range for my job will be hopeless.
Yep a lot more infrastructure in place I bet ? Again, the practicalities of towing with an EV or just not there yet. This switch over to full electric is a false dawn. Its not the panacea that seems to be spouted around. More electric cars more power needed for generation. I`ll wait till I have no choice whatsoever, can see the second hand market doing well on used fossil fuel cars.These guys managed 3700 miles towing a caravan with a Tesla X.
https://bensmann.no/towing-caravan-tesla-model-x-europe/
I keep my cars quite long, never buy new. I`m a car salesman`s bad dream. My gas guzzling 9yr old Disco 4 will stay with us for as long as its financially viable. Its a workhorse it can carry tonnes of stuff. If i got rid the of the caravan that might change my outlook.It would be more environmentally friendly to just run our existing cars into the ground and then recycle the components,
A lot more than what? America? UK?Yep a lot more infrastructure in place I bet ?
Despite more than 100 years of refinements, the internal combustion engine used in cars just isn’t that good at converting fuel into movement. Even in the most efficient petrol engines, only around 12-30 percent of the energy in the fuel ever makes it to the wheels or other useful functions. The rest is wasted as noise and heat.
Electric motors, by contrast, are more like 77 percent efficient – they get more than twice as many miles out of the same amount of energy. This efficiency gap is so big that even in Poland where most electricity comes from coal-fired power stations, electric cars emit about 25% less carbon than their fossil fuelled equivalents.
They only got 125 miles between charges, with no wriggle room,my old 200Tdi Disco could realistically tow a similarly sized caravan from West Yorkshire, to Portsmouth, catch the ferry, and fill up again in France, 2x ex MOD Jerry cans of diesel would get us from Cherbourg to the Southern Vendee without having to fill up till Monday AM when the fuel stations reopened, so around 500 miles with one 20 minute stop to refuel, with diesel left over, the Tesla would need 4x stops at an hour a go, not good if the traffic backs up and it looks like you might miss your crossing, the future? I think not.Yep a lot more infrastructure in place I bet ? Again, the practicalities of towing with an EV or just not there yet. This switch over to full electric is a false dawn. Its not the panacea that seems to be spouted around. More electric cars more power needed for generation. I`ll wait till I have no choice whatsoever, can see the second hand market doing well on used fossil fuel cars.
Around 28,000 a year, and yes for my job, careful planning and hitting a post code area means I’m doing around 90 jobs per month, EV in van form would be hopelessThank god that 95% of us aren't doing 35,000 miles a year. You can't spend that much time at jobs with all those hours driving ?
But how long did it take to do that, Max range 125 miles, not good enough, and that was at best, Chuck a windy day into the equation and they might as well give up, 3700 miles is 30 stops and 30 hours of refuelling, compare that with 8 stops, and probably 2.5 hours taken to do it with an elderly Disco, as for having to unhitch the caravan, in Britain I’d guarantee it would be stolen, with no comeback from your insurance.>>Again, the practicalities of towing with an EV or just not there yet.<<
They managed 3700 miles towing with an EV. It's practical.
They managed 3700 miles towing with an EV. It's practical.
Not in one go did they !?
>> This switch over to full electric is a false dawn. Its not the panacea that seems to be spouted around. <<
It pretty much is.
Congestion is not going to disappear with electric cars so I rest my case !
>>More electric cars more power needed for generation. <<
They tend to be more efficient than gas guzzlers - so no - less power needed:
>>I`ll wait till I have no choice whatsoever, can see the second hand market doing well on used fossil fuel cars.<<
Fair enough. Personally I can't wait to go greener and cleaner.
I’ll do my bit , like to think by cycle commuting I’m doing my bit . Rather than driving . ( albeit new puppy is stopping that :-) )
Not once you've loaded it up with tools, parts, service kits, sundries, lubricants, waste oil for return, 2x jacks and blocks, lifting slings & shackles, the range would fall off a cliff carrying that lot, then throw a cold, dark winters day in to just to add to the range reduction, so in my case it's pie in the sky, then try charging it up using someone else's electricity, whilst working as the van needs to be near the thing your working on, all companies I've been to that have charging points are provided for their (Directors) vehicles, in the car park, far away from the warehouse round the back, and not anyone else's use so your utterly stuffed.To answer a few points upthread...
Neodymium reserves are about 8 million tonnes source. A motor needs about 1 kg of neodymium, so we've got enough for everyone in the world to have an EV.
Towing a caravan a few thousand miles strikes me as a bit of an edge case, and certainly not something I'm planning on doing!
As for driving 28000 miles a year for work, that's about 110 miles a day (assuming 253 working days per year), That's easily doable in a Leaf or Ioniq, let alone something with a bigger range. Charge up overnight, and you've saved time going to fill up once a week.
But how long did it take to do that, Max range 125 miles, not good enough, and that was at best, Chuck a windy day into the equation and they might as well give up, 3700 miles is 30 stops and 30 hours of refuelling, compare that with 8 stops, and probably 2.5 hours taken to do it with an elderly Disco, as for having to unhitch the caravan, in Britain I’d guarantee it would be stolen, with no comeback from your insurance.
You don't like the limitations of EVs. Yes, we get thatNot once you've loaded it up with tools, parts, service kits, sundries, lubricants, waste oil for return, 2x jacks and blocks, lifting slings & shackles, the range would fall off a cliff carrying that lot, then throw a cold, dark winters day in to just to add to the range reduction, so in my case it's pie in the sky, then try charging it up using someone else's electricity, whilst working as the van needs to be near the thing your working on, all companies I've been to that have charging points are provided for their (Directors) vehicles, in the car park, far away from the warehouse round the back, and not anyone else's use so your utterly stuffed.
The other thing is sometimes I'm local, sometimes I can be near the Scottish borders, average miles per day isn't the reality
Not once you've loaded it up with tools, parts, service kits, sundries, lubricants, waste oil for return, 2x jacks and blocks, lifting slings & shackles, the range would fall off a cliff carrying that lot, then throw a cold, dark winters day in to just to add to the range reduction, so in my case it's pie in the sky,