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Where does it say this?
Over powered bikes that are resticted.
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NickWi
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A tip, slow down a bit. When I used to walk to work I did exactly that. I didn't don trainers & running gear, I walked at a sensible pace so I didn't get hot & sweaty. When I changed jobs and cycled in, the same principle applied, abeit with a couple of concessions to practicality. It's a commute, not a workout.
Electric_Andy
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I'm saying that the Wisper ebike I had was not powerful enough to get up hills without pedalling. If I had a more powerful motor, that was legal, and could only get up a steep hill at 4mph, I'd be happy with that. I wouldn't expect to fly up it, just to get up it would suffice
glasgowcyclist
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He does say it’s his assumption.
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Ah he'll also be one of those who believe that any 'normal' rider is a cheat then, I assume
I like Skol
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'He' is here you know? But I have to ask, what the fook are you talking about now?
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Maybe English isn't your first language, or maybe you should proof read what you put!
Alex321
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Or maybe you should read more carefully.
I don't think any of the rest of us had any difficulty in understanding what he wrote. I disagreed with him, but that wasn't due to the way he wrote it.
Drago
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You mean that which he had written.
glasgowcyclist
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the_mikey
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I would argue that people are simply expecting miracles, if you're riding with 250 watts of assistance and minimal pedalling on a road style bike you'll probably slow down quite considerably on most hills, take a 7 percent incline, you'll probably be below 20km/h , an 11 percent incline will in all likelihood see your speed down to around 7-10km/h, and anything steeper will be much slower, until you start adding some of your own watts. Also consider that gear selection is still critical, if you need to be in the granny ring without any assistance it will also be reasonable to assume you need to be in the granny ring with the assistance and not expect it to cruise up the hill in 52-11 as if the hill did not exist. As it is, 250W gives you performance that will exceed the abilities of the average person who doesn't cycle regularly, if you're wanting more, you'll either need to get fitter or accept the position you're in.
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Why shouldn't it, if safe and legal?
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I'll add the whole paragraph then so you can try to a little harder to understand the point he was making
His assumption is that e-bikes were for the less fit, or more elderly people, he specifically mentions these type of people therefore the inference is the 'normal' cyclist shouldn't be riding them, it's all part of his passive aggressive nature, very much like your own, neither of you like being challenged on your opinions.
Anyway before the @Moderators closed down the thread for petty squabbling I'll bow out & see you in the spring.
Drago
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You can already get safe and legal ebikes faster than that. They're called speed pedelecs.
They require licence and insurance. People argue they should be able to have a little bit more without licence insurance, but if they ever got it then someone would be making their claims for a little bit more, and someone else a little bit more, and so on.
The legal line has to be drawn somewhere and it is eminently sensible that it is drawn south of the moped class that has been in existence for decades. If people then want just a little bit more then they can have just a little bit more under the simple and pre existing legal framework...if they get licenced and insured, neither of which wre difficult, especially expensive, or particularly onerous.
They require licence and insurance. People argue they should be able to have a little bit more without licence insurance, but if they ever got it then someone would be making their claims for a little bit more, and someone else a little bit more, and so on.
The legal line has to be drawn somewhere and it is eminently sensible that it is drawn south of the moped class that has been in existence for decades. If people then want just a little bit more then they can have just a little bit more under the simple and pre existing legal framework...if they get licenced and insured, neither of which wre difficult, especially expensive, or particularly onerous.
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I like Skol
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But that's the whole point isn't it?
If an ebike is faster than a moderately fit cyclist then it is almost certainly not legal, as per the_mikey's description above. The safety aspect is purely down to the user, and letting untested, untrained users loose on powered vehicles that are approaching motorbike/car speeds without ANY controls or restrictions is not going to end well.
I've always agreed that a fit cyclist can match and beat the top speed of an ebike on the flat or downhill so some might argue what is the safety difference between the ebike or the non powered version? The biggest difference, IMO, is that the self propelled cyclist has a very physical and acute awareness of the effort required to reach and maintain a higher speed so usually treats it with much more respect and caution.
