jefmcg
Guru
We need to do something to close the wormhole that has opened to the 1950s. It's letting all sorts of nonsense through.
What’s stopping women cycling?
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Did you check out that video upthread about the way that people treat babies differently depending on what they (as it turns out, incorrectly) perceive their gender to be? It's quite interesting.
vickster
Legendary Member
Try going to Myanmar. Then you'll see lots of women doing just the jobs you describe
Linked to some points made above, but different topic, so created a separate thread.
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/is-equal-prize-money-fair-or-not.229600/
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/is-equal-prize-money-fair-or-not.229600/
BoldonLad
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That may be because in Myanmar, opportunities for other jobs (for women) are more limited?
I have for example noticed that in some countries (Spain, UAE, and Ukraine, to name three) it is much more common to see women doing, for example, street cleaning jobs, than it is in UK. Not sure however that that implies greater degree of equality?
Julia9054
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You do realise that everyone is on a bell curve in terms of typical "feminine" and "masculine" qualities. If you feel that you can disentange nature from nurture, you must share your insights - I'm sure the scientific community would be interested to know.
Mugshot
Cracking a solo.
They don't appeal to me either frankly and I was a man when I checked in the shower about 5 minutes ago.
SkipdiverJohn
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The difference between the developed West, and the rest of the planet, is that there is a far bigger element of choice in the West, which results in jobs being done on a preference-oriented basis. In poor countries, it's a matter of survival, not choice.
BoldonLad
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My point exactly, more subtly put.
Quick Q - is there any risk of you offering any kind of source, citation, or evidence to substantiate any of these opinions? Or even, perhaps, maybe, offering some views that are somewhat less tangential to the discussion?
sarahale
Über Member
I just wish to ride my bike and not have to worry. How many men on here have had their bums slapped? Have had a member of the opposite sex expose their genitals to them when they were alone at night. Have had someone tell them they will have their way with you without your consent when you were alone in an underpass. These have all happened to me and I've actually been flashed twice. I cycle alone 99% of the time and I'm very small so guessing look like a nice weak target. Most recently I was cycling into town, completely minding my own business not even on the road as it's a segregated cycle lane, and a car with 4 grown boys in pulled alongside me and started yelling 'would I do them?' And then when I didn't acknowledge them one of them said 'she's minging anyway' absolutely hilarious I'm sure you'll all agree but could feel everyone's eyes on me as they had slowed down and traffic built up behind them. Doesn't exactly make you feel great to be on the receiving end of that.
It's not the whole problem but it's the most worrying for me. Why do these pathetic people think they can just say what they want?
Julia9054
Guru
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Sadly fairly unremarkable in every way
[QUOTE 5124055, member: 9609"]is the simple answer not just men are different to women ? Our species seemed to take an evolutionary route of men doing the hunting and providing and women the caring and raising children, sport just seems to be some sort of extension of the hunting bit, hence why more men participate.
It's wonderful the way our society is developing where we can more easily interchange roles and hopefully a more neutral gender based upbringing will allow us all to better tailor our lifestyles to our hearts, however I think our basic nature will always determine sport is a bigger thing for men.[/QUOTE]
They want to change the name of hunter gatherers to foragers as they suggest most food cane from foraging equally of men and women wher as hunting was mainly ceremonial and played a very small part of calories consumed.
It's wonderful the way our society is developing where we can more easily interchange roles and hopefully a more neutral gender based upbringing will allow us all to better tailor our lifestyles to our hearts, however I think our basic nature will always determine sport is a bigger thing for men.[/QUOTE]
They want to change the name of hunter gatherers to foragers as they suggest most food cane from foraging equally of men and women wher as hunting was mainly ceremonial and played a very small part of calories consumed.
@sarahale - I can't 'like' that, but yeah....
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I'm fat, ginger and speccy so have been on the receiving end of verbal abuse as long as I can remember and despite being fat, ginger and speccy I still get, occasionally, the kind of sexualised verbal abuse you talk about when riding my bike. Very occasionally these days, because I don't ride that much! However I'm not sure that it's worse than when walking or using public transport - and it's the sort of thing that would discourage women who have cycled and experienced it rather be off-putting to those who don't cycle. I suspect that, as you say, it is only one part of the problem.
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I'm fat, ginger and speccy so have been on the receiving end of verbal abuse as long as I can remember and despite being fat, ginger and speccy I still get, occasionally, the kind of sexualised verbal abuse you talk about when riding my bike. Very occasionally these days, because I don't ride that much! However I'm not sure that it's worse than when walking or using public transport - and it's the sort of thing that would discourage women who have cycled and experienced it rather be off-putting to those who don't cycle. I suspect that, as you say, it is only one part of the problem.
