jefmcg
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I imagine the expert spoke for an hour or more. It's likely that the summary in the Press has been abbreviated to the point of nonsense. Does anyone know if we can actually get to see the transcript?
Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death
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jefmcg
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I understand that. But he was** not only denying he was guilty of a crime, but also denying he was the cause of her death. He claimed the cause of her death was stepping on to the road without looking, not his actions. So he was denying both "manslaughtering" her, and causing her death.
**using the the past tense because I am going on his quotes from lfgss. I don't know if that's the actual defence he will use in court.
Well that would be the prosecution argument - and I agree, he should have had a front brake. However, by having a front brake there is no guarantee that stopping distances would have been less if it was not maintained or used correctly.
mjr
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I don't know but I don't think so. I wonder if the eventual judgment will appear at https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/
swee'pea99
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Haven't read the whole thread, but I have to say that while the no-brake thing is probably what will sink him - he was definitively breaking a specific law, and someone died as a result - in my experience it's the no-brain thing that does the real damage.
I frequently cycle down a busy stretch of road, with much (slow- or not-moving) traffic, many high-sided vehicles, any number of jaywalkers threading thru' the traffic (many of them foreign, and all too likely to look 'the wrong way') and meanwhile cyclists are flying along at high speed, whizzing past, eg, buses, in such a way that brake/no-brake would be utterly irrelevant. If someone stepped out from (or, worse, pushed a buggy from behind) a bus, they'd plough into them, no question. Of course the vast majority of the time they get away with it. But I do often wonder what, if anything, is going through their tiny minds...the utter lack of imagination they display. And like I say, this is a pretty much daily occurrence. Sad truth is, the world is full of imbeciles, and a fair number of them are on bikes.
I frequently cycle down a busy stretch of road, with much (slow- or not-moving) traffic, many high-sided vehicles, any number of jaywalkers threading thru' the traffic (many of them foreign, and all too likely to look 'the wrong way') and meanwhile cyclists are flying along at high speed, whizzing past, eg, buses, in such a way that brake/no-brake would be utterly irrelevant. If someone stepped out from (or, worse, pushed a buggy from behind) a bus, they'd plough into them, no question. Of course the vast majority of the time they get away with it. But I do often wonder what, if anything, is going through their tiny minds...the utter lack of imagination they display. And like I say, this is a pretty much daily occurrence. Sad truth is, the world is full of imbeciles, and a fair number of them are on bikes.
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jefmcg
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From the Guardian yesterday
Wyeth said: “We have seen velodromes and seasoned athletes. One way the fixed-wheel bikes can be brought to a stop involves getting up out of the seat and [putting] down pressure on pedals to get that kinetic energy to come to a sharper halt than just a free wheel.”
He asked whether Alliston could be seen doing just that, and Small said he did not recall the defendant rising from his saddle.
That's the defence asking the question, and presumably because the accused believes he did that. If that is part of emergency braking on a fixie, how could the expert "not recall"? If he knows his stuff, he should have been looking for things like that, surely?
Wyeth said: “We have seen velodromes and seasoned athletes. One way the fixed-wheel bikes can be brought to a stop involves getting up out of the seat and [putting] down pressure on pedals to get that kinetic energy to come to a sharper halt than just a free wheel.”
He asked whether Alliston could be seen doing just that, and Small said he did not recall the defendant rising from his saddle.
That's the defence asking the question, and presumably because the accused believes he did that. If that is part of emergency braking on a fixie, how could the expert "not recall"? If he knows his stuff, he should have been looking for things like that, surely?
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jefmcg
Guru
The BBC said that?????
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User6179
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Not the BBC but some other news outlet on the Tinternet
KneesUp
Guru
It appears to be a quote from what appears to be the Australian Daily Mail.
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/00bfe55322bc874ac3379a41f318a5e6
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...r/news-story/00bfe55322bc874ac3379a41f318a5e6
jefmcg
Guru
Murdoch.
Lol. Well, it's only 16,000km away, so yes, I am sure it's subject to UK law and standards.
KneesUp
Guru
And to think that I liked him when he was in the A-Team ...
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User6179
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Murdoch.
Lol. Well, it's only 16,000km away, so yes, I am sure it's subject to UK law and standards.
Yes but other UK news outlets will also have the link to that story on their websites.
jefmcg
Guru
That does not make it part of the British media. Nor are the car companies, phone retailers, weight loss scammers or dating sites you will also find linked on newspapers sites.
But at least the Australian paper found room for the word "accused" in the headline, which puts it slightly ahead of the Metro.
