How to deal with dogs? Or has this guy got issues?

[ufkacbln]

Cycling Forums in the US have a thread that deals with dogs (and the owners)

How many of you carry a gun as part ofyour cycling equipment?

My current choice is a Kel-Tec P3-AT. 10 ounces loaded, locked breech, recoil operated semi-auto with a 6 round magazine. Its good enough in my hands for "velo-dog" use (small revolvers traditionally carried by cyclinsts in the early 1900's) but being .380, adequate for self-defense when loaded with +P Cor Bons. A spare magazine is only an additional 3 ounces. For the weight of a small water bottle, I have adequate defense. I have yet to use it and my cycling partners don't know I carry.

 

[brokenflipflop]

We can't upset horses and horse riders and it's not the horse riders fault if their unpredictable beast does something unpredictable should a cyclist burp loudly within 30 feet of the beast yet woe betide a dog owner who doesn't control his dog. Double standards or what ? (and a horse is a bit bigger too)

 

[GrumpyGregry]

More shocking than I remembered it being- but yes, that advice did rather stand out when I read it.

I only read that bit this week. Shocking but more than a little understandable I feel.

 

[MacB]

[QUOTE 1719924, member: 9609"]Therefore you would be the first to defend my right in deploying "cycle to van missiles" and use them on site of any white van,4x4, or any other road user I don't like the look of that gets within a 100m.

I guess there would be a long debate on what quantifies a dog under control, there are extremists out there who believe they should never be off a lead.[/quote]

What????? utter bilge, you have a dog off a lead and it approaches someone that is terrified of dogs and they lash out....it's your fault...end of. Your pet is just that, yours, and the responsiblity for not inflicting it on others lies with you.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Gentle reminder to all dog lovers/owners that, iirc, the law requires you to keep them under control in public places in E & W. Courts have established plenty of precedent as to what under control means. ime 90% of the dogs in SE England take not one blind bit of notice of their owners.

Your dog bothers me, or someone I care about or someone I judge to vulnerable, I'll bother your dog (and you if I have to), and I'll be the judge of what an appropriate response will be. Only this morning in Horsham Park I saw.... (no can't be bother to type it all up)

People's personal safety trumps your pets 'rights' every time.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

[QUOTE 1720026, member: 9609"]And would this extreme view of yours even apply if the dog was not being remotely threatening?[/quote]
"He's never done that before."
"He was only being friendly."
"Your son must have scared him."

Those words have never ever been uttered by a dog owner before have they...

... and for the record I'm a dog lover. I just am not that keen on most of the owners.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Fcuk this is a depressing thread.
Yes I have the original version of the book too. I'm sure he's talking about what you can do in an extreme circumstances rather than cyclist-related dog genocide. There are some dogs that are frickin powerful and just IF you caught in the middle of nowhere it could be useful to know what you MIGHT be able to do.

On the wider subjects of dogs et al, I posted this a few weeeks ago and a repeat in this thread seems apt:

I'm pretty new to Dog ownership, (though I grew-up in a house-full of them).
I've 40 odd years of cycling behind me.
I've also raised 3 kids.

And here's the thing ... in a perfect world, nobody would get in the way, or intefere, or annoy or inconvenience another soul on the planet with their or their charges behaviour. But life's not perfect, people are not perfect, dogs are not perfect, kids are not perfect a little bit of 'live and let live' goes a long way. none of us set-out to annoy or inconvenience.

I'm sure my kids have annoyed others, I'm certain my cycling has annoyed others (mostly drivers!) and I know even after a few weeks of Dog ownership, we've managed to annoy one or two. He's young and a sighthound, so he'll see something appealing and race-off to greet them, sometimes he comes back when called, sometimes I catch him before he goes, sometimes he encouters someone who's happy to meet him and sometimes somebody who is scared or dislikes dogs or doesn't want a muddy footprint. Most people are tolerant, a few are not. I can understand that, but none of this is out of malice. We're training, learning, trying to enjoy our hobby, sharing the outdoor space, not aiming for conflict.

I've had 1 jogger and 1 cyclist take umbridge. The cyclist came barreling down a cinder path through the park, (it matters not what kind of designated path it is) I had stopped chatting to 2 teenage girls walking the opposite direction with an older Whippet. Dogs were on leads. The cyclist swerved tightly around us at full tilt shouting 'zarking dog walkers' and sped off. Totally needless.
So there are wnakers everywhere, some walk dogs, some ride bikes, some have annoying kids. Sometimes we come together unexpectedly and it's beholden on us all to make the best of the different circumstances when that happens. Personally I always slow right down on shared paths especially where there are young kids or dogs running around, it's just common sense. If I want to ride fast, I use roads, that what they're there for.

On the subjecy of dog shoot, like any form of littering, it's indefensible and a pox on those who don't clear up after.

Steady as you go. ​

 

[MacB]

[QUOTE 1720026, member: 9609"]And would this extreme view of yours even apply if the dog was not being remotely threatening?[/quote]

What's extreme about it? I happen to like dogs and don't generally have a problem with them, I do have issues with irresponsible owners. However, unless you've developed telepathy how are you going to reassure a person with some sort of dog phobia that the mutt bounding towards them is safe? I don't care how well you, or anyone else, thinks they know or have trained a dog, there can always be that one time.

All I'm saying is that dog owners are making judgement calls, on behalf of others, that they have no right to make. Whereas if they adhere to the law then there are no problems.

 

[MacB]

Fcuk this is a depressing thread.
Yes I have the original version of the book too. I'm sure he's talking about what you can do in an extreme circumstances rather than cyclist-related dog genocide. There are some dogs that are frickin powerful and just IF you caught in the middle of nowhere it could be useful to know what you MIGHT be able to do.

On the wider subjects of dogs et al, I posted this a few weeeks ago and a repeat in this thread seems apt:

I'm pretty new to Dog ownership, (though I grew-up in a house-full of them).​

I've 40 odd years of cycling behind me.​

I've also raised 3 kids.​

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And here's the thing ... in a perfect world, nobody would get in the way, or intefere, or annoy or inconvenience another soul on the planet with their or their charges behaviour. But life's not perfect, people are not perfect, dogs are not perfect, kids are not perfect a little bit of 'live and let live' goes a long way. none of us set-out to annoy or inconvenience.​

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I'm sure my kids have annoyed others,​

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I don't get this trying to equate dogs with humans and human activity, especially with children...they are animals and should be controlled as such.​

 

[Fab Foodie]

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I don't get this trying to equate dogs with humans and human activity, especially with children...they are animals and should be controlled as such.​

It's quite simple, as a dog owner you are responsible for your dog, as a parent your responsible for your children (which are also animals), both are often unpredictable and parents/owners make judgement calls that are not always perfect ... the result sometimes impacts on others. Such is the human condition. What we can do is control how we respond to others failiures.

 

[MacB]

It's quite simple, as a dog owner you are responsible for your dog, as a parent your responsible for your children (which are also animals), both are often unpredictable and parents/owners make judgement calls that are not always perfect ... the result sometimes impacts on others. Such is the human condition. What we can do is control how we respond to others failiures.

Nope you're still putting dogs on a par with humans, may be your view but will never be mine.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Nope you're still putting dogs on a par with humans, may be your view but will never be mine.

...OK, you've convinced me ... from now on I'll put animals above humans ....

 

[lukesdad]

Ive used the advice on cycle commuters and let me tell you it works a treat, especially those little gobby ones with the cameras !

 

[MacB]

[QUOTE 1720209, member: 9609"]In the context of a thread that questions the use of extreme violence towards dogs, you have implied that you see nothing wrong with such violence being inflicted on any dog that you don't like the look of that is not on a very short lead.

Thankfully dogs are extremely astute at picking up on unusual people, the two dogs that I have spent a considerable amount of time with seem to naturally give odd bods a wide berth. So hopefully the vast majority of dogs out there will never come into close contact with the type of people that yourself and Greg seem to be aspiring to be.

My last dog would have nothing whatsoever to do with my best friends girlfriend, he would make it abundantly clear he did not want to be anywhere near her - It was most embarrassing - she appeared to my best friend, my wife and myself to be the most wonderful person. Within a couple of years we all realized the dog was right - she was one incredibly disturbed woman.[/quote]

Now you're getting unhinged yourself, trying to equate a dislike/distrust/fear of dogs with mental illness. I also think even the most cursory of re-reads will indicate that you are making assumptions and embellishing what Greg and I have posted.

To clarify, I see nothing wrong with someone that feels threatened by an animal taking the steps THEY FEEL are appropriate to safeguard themselves.

If you look after your animal as you are meant to then that scenario would never arise....it really is that simple

 

[ianrauk]

A dog running up to my son (who has only just turned 2) in the park and jumping up scaring the life out of him making him scream in terror. But apparently it's ok though as the owner said the dog loves kids and was just being friendly. . The dog get's a kick if it happens again I said to him, nice doggy or not. I also see any dog running up to me/chasing me whilst cycling as a threat and will deal with the situation as such. People should keep their dogs under control. It's simple.