There is no way I'll ever get Di2

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Don't want to pay for it, don't need it, really want it.

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Proto

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Buy a 2CV, completely tech free! Here’s mine.
 

SkipdiverJohn

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London
That is a shame that you are so mistrusting, they would of course let you watch and or video it for you now.

The motor trade has always had more than it's fair share of rogues, and they are not just confined to the back street under the arches workshops and bomb site sales forecourts either. Plenty of very dodgy stuff goes on in main dealers, corner-cutting to save time and earn bonus, parts being charged for but not fitted etc.
I've always done my own oil changes & maintenance. It costs me peanuts and I know its been done. I don't wait for stupid mileages between oil changes either, skimping on oil is the worst false economy in motoring. Mine get annual changes even though the mileage is way under the official service intervals.
 

screenman

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The motor trade has always had more than it's fair share of rogues, and they are not just confined to the back street under the arches workshops and bomb site sales forecourts either. Plenty of very dodgy stuff goes on in main dealers, corner-cutting to save time and earn bonus, parts being charged for but not fitted etc.
I've always done my own oil changes & maintenance. It costs me peanuts and I know its been done. I don't wait for stupid mileages between oil changes either, skimping on oil is the worst false economy in motoring. Mine get annual changes even though the mileage is way under the official service intervals.

I take it you work amongst these guys like I do, trading standards is very hard on the motor trade. I do not know of one garage amongst my many customers who fit your views. Sure every industry including yours which of course you have never told us what it is has rogues, but there are far more trustworthy one's. Sure to people like you they will look expensive, but blame that on costs rather than excessive profits.
 

SkipdiverJohn

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Location
London
. Sure to people like you they will look expensive, but blame that on costs rather than excessive profits.

If I pay someone to perform a service for me, I don't have a problem with reasonable costs plus a bit of profit. What I do have a problem with is paying a premium purely for someone's expensive prime-location flashy premises with plate glass windows, costly furnishings & decor, and company-branded everything all around the place. None of the bling and flashiness contributes in any way to the quality of the end result. That just depends on the person performing the task knowing what they are doing & having the right tools and materials to hand - which could be done to exactly the same standard in a back-street shed in a low-rent area without all the bling. You may see some "added value" in all the front-of-house beauty show; I don't. What matters is what goes on out the back, where the customer can't see.
 

screenman

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If I pay someone to perform a service for me, I don't have a problem with reasonable costs plus a bit of profit. What I do have a problem with is paying a premium purely for someone's expensive prime-location flashy premises with plate glass windows, costly furnishings & decor, and company-branded everything all around the place. None of the bling and flashiness contributes in any way to the quality of the end result. That just depends on the person performing the task knowing what they are doing & having the right tools and materials to hand - which could be done to exactly the same standard in a back-street shed in a low-rent area without all the bling. You may see some "added value" in all the front-of-house beauty show; I don't. What matters is what goes on out the back, where the customer can't see.

I agree with you on some of those point, but specialist tools and training cost money which most back street lads do not have. Also it is the maufacturer who sets the rules on showrooms/workshops not the dealer often. I like to drive in, get a new loan car for the day, get my car back washed and cleaned and maintaining its value due to having a main agent service history, all the while knowing that a skilled specialist has done the job and should there be a problem they will not wriggle.
 

SkipdiverJohn

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Location
London
If you're a frequent car changer, you may care about dealer stamps and history because you are trading it in to the prime used market, where customers will look for these things. However, I'm not concerned with residual values. I buy cars with minimal tech/gadgets in them and just keep driving them until they die, then I go and get another one and do the same. When cars get into double-digit years in age, the effect of a service history is pretty minimal anyway.
 

screenman

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If you're a frequent car changer, you may care about dealer stamps and history because you are trading it in to the prime used market, where customers will look for these things. However, I'm not concerned with residual values. I buy cars with minimal tech/gadgets in them and just keep driving them until they die, then I go and get another one and do the same. When cars get into double-digit years in age, the effect of a service history is pretty minimal anyway.

I spend at least 3 hours a day in the car, I hate old bangers, or even old not bangers. Give me all the bling every day, that is if you can call a Skoda bling.
 
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